Interesting discussion (from WW1-L) which investigates the man responsible for ordering the mobilisation of the Royal Navy squadrons at the very start of the war.
It was the First Sea Lord, Admiral Prince Louis of Battenberg, who made the decision to delay the dispersion of the fleet and the demobilisation of the Reserves, NOT Churchill. The latter was on holidays in the country.
Peter Beeston
"WSC ordered the RN not to demobilize after the summer manoevers, and to go
to war stations before any German declarations of war. I wonder..."
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True, but then WSC went on holiday with his family to Cromer and only heard
of the outbreak of war via the post office telephone there. He then
returned to London on a specially-sent locomotive.
Given this it is evident that either WSC was unaware of how close war was
(and thus the retention of the fleet was mere prudence), or that he knew he
was being watched by German intelligence and therefore determined to appear
nonchalant.
Regards
Peter Farrell-Vinay
Tuchman, in "The Guns..." says "the fleet so alertly mobilized by
Churchill, reached there" (there, being Scapa Flow) " safely by August 1
while the government was still debating whether to fight." Martin Gilbert,
in "The First World War" says "that day," (2 August)"full British
mobilization was put into effect, and orders given to shadow two German
warships on their way through the Meditteranean to Turkey. A secret
assurance was also given by Britain to France, that if the German Fleet
went into the North Sea or English Channel to attack French shipping, the
British Fleet would give the French vesels 'all the assistance in its
power.' "
According to William Manchester's biography of WSC:
"Pear Tree Cottage had no telephone, but their nearest neighbor...offered
the use of his. It was here, at noon on Sunday*, that Churchill heard the
latest development from Prince Louis....Winston was on the next London
train....At the Admiralty he learned that first sea lord had anticipated
him; the Third Fleet had completed its test mobilization and was scheduled
to disperse, but Prince Louis had ordered it to remain ready for battle,
and at 4:05 P.M. he had telegraphed: 'Admiralty to C in C Home Fleets.
Decypher. No ships of First Fleet or Flotillas are to leave Portland until
further orders. Acknowledge.' Churchill approved and began a ten-day
shuuttle between his office, Whitehall, No. 10, and Admiralty House..."
*Sunday was 2 August 1914.
Based on Manchester's quote of the first sea lord's communique, his orders
were directed to the First Fleet, and that it should not leave port. Paul
Halpern ("A Naval History of World War I"; Naval Institute Press, 1994))
says that by 2 August, "the French minister of marine had been assured
already by Churchill that the germans, regardless of British neutrality,
would not be permitted to operate in the Channel....The British were also
in the process of mobilizing or requisitioning sizeable numbers of merchant
ships, trawlers, and drifters for auxiliary purposes."
The first sea lord might have issued a limited set of orders, although from
sometime aruound noon of August 2nd, it would appear that WSC was in touch
with the Admiralty and shortly afterwards back in his office. My initial
comment noted (see below) that responsibility for sending the fleet to its
war stations was the responsibility of WSC. Where he was has little bearing
on what he knew or didn't knew, as he was able to stay in touch by
telephone with the Admiralty (even on the 2nd, which was a Sunday) through
the use of a neighbor's telephone, and knew enough of events that by 2
August he could give assurances of RN assistance to the French and also
return to his office and issue other orders.
The comment of yours that I was querying was "WSC ordered rhe RN not to
demobilize after the summer manoevers...". This he did not do.
To quote Marder: "Churchill, who promptly approved, has often incorrectly
been given the credit for this masterstroke".
Referring to WSC on WSC is something that needs to be done with a grain of
salt. He discusses the background to the RN situation in the "World
Crisis", and specifies that begining with his appointment to the Admiralty
that a series of protocols for what the RN would do in the event of war had
been worked out well before 1914, and that he expected many officers to
know what had to be done.
The events of 24-30 July are clearly described by WSC, and what his role in
events regarding to the RN situation is spelled out.
According to WSC:
" I went back to the Admiralty at about 6 o'clock. I said to my friends who
have helped me so many years in my work that there was real danger and it
might be war.
I took stock of the position, and wrote out to focus them in my mind a
series of points which would have been attended to if matters did not mend.
My friends kept these as a check during teh days that followed and ticked
them off one by one as they were settled.
1. First and Second Fleets. Leave and disposition.
2. Thrid Fleet. Repelenish coal and stores."
(Snipped by LRP: there is a list of another 15 items that follow,
relating to the fleet, men, and other details)
"I discussed the situation at length the next morning (Saturday) with the
First Sea Lord. For the moment, however, there was nothing to do. At no
time in all these last three years were we more completely ready....I had
planned to spend the Sunday with my family at Cromer, and I decided not to
alter my plans. I arranged to have a special operator placed in the
telegrapgh office so as to ensure a continuous night and day service. On
saturday afternoon the news came in that Serbia had accepted th
eultimatum....Reassured by these reflections I slept peacefully, and no
summons distrubed the silenece of the night.
At 9 o'clock the next morning I called up the First Sea Lord by
telephone. He told me that there was a rumor that Austria was not satisfied
with the Serbian acceptance of the ultimatum, but otherwise there were no
new developments. I asked him to call me up again at twelve.....At 12
o'clock I spoke to the First Sea Lord again. He told me various items that
had come in from various capitals, none however ofdecisive importance, but
all tending to a rise of temperature. I asked him whether all the reservist
had already been dismissed. He told me they had. I decided to return to
London. I told him I would be with him at nine, and that meanwhile he
should do whatever was necessary.
Prince Louis awaited me at the Admiralty. The situation was evidently
degenerating. Special editions of the Sunday paper showed intense
excitement in nearly every European capital. The First Sea Lord told me
that in accordance with our conversation he had told the Fleet not to
disperse. I took occaision to refer to this four months later in my letter
accepting his resignation. I was very glad publicly to testify at the
moment of great grief and pain for him that his loyal hand had sent the
first order which began our vast naval mobilization."
Okay, it's long-winded, and the last paragrpagh makes it obvious that Louis
sent the orders out to the fleet, but what also seems to be very obvious
that these orders were based on prior discussions and agreements with WSC.
Did Luois act without consulting WSC? No, it would appear that tehre were
prior discussions and directions on this matter, and that Louis directed
the Fleet not to disperse while WSC had to be aware of what was going on
elsewhere.
Although Luois appears to have sent the orders out, it would seem that WSC
was in relatively close contact with the Admiralty who were acting in
accordance with a series of pre-exisitng orders based on the seriousness of
events. One gets the feeling that WSC was directing the responses of the
RN, regardless of who signed the orders and sent them out.
Bear in mind, this is WSC talking about WSC.....
I agree that Churchill tends to be a little unreliable when talking about
himself. His memory is very selective. The GOEBEN business is a case in
point.
At no stage does he specifically state that he discussed the termination of
the trial mobilization with Battenberg.
Both Marder and Roskill appear to believe that Battenberg made his own
decision on the subject and both had very good access to original sources.
Neither makes any reference to prior discussions on the subject between
Battenberg and Churchill but it would be incredible if some such had not
taken place given the trend towards war. Churchill has to be given credit
for the fact that a test mobilization was substituted for manoevers although
the reason is said to have been economy rather than a foreknowledge of
events.
The IGN certainly should have known as it was in the newspapers here within a day or two.
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From: Peter Farrell-Vinay
To: INTERNET:wwi-l@raven.cc.ukans.edu
Date: Sunday, 26 July 1998 0:45
Subject: Re: Scrap of paper (BEF)/RN & IGN
Les wrote
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25 July 1998
From (lrp@westol.com)
26 July 1998
From Peter Beeston (ionia@halenet.com.au)
26 July 1998
From (lrp@westol.com)
26 July 1998
From Peter Beeston (ionia@halenet.com.au)
27 July 1998
From David Heal (David.HEAL@EUROSTAT.cec.be)
> WSC ordered the RN not to demobilize after the summer manoevers, and to go
> to war stations before any German declarations of war. I wonder... if the
> IGN knew of the RN going to a war footing at the time, and of the pre-war
> Anglo-French naval agreements whereby the RN would guard the waters off
> northern France and the Channel, and the French fleet would be based in the
> Med, and guard British interests in that area? This arrangement would
> obviously have come to the attention of German naval intelligence watching
> the activities of the RN and French fleets.
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